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		By: Jason Ward		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Apr 2010 05:14:03 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;p&gt;Good post Greg.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;I&#039;ve been trying to keep abreast of the situation over there but it&#039;s been difficult as our press is obsessed with volcanoes and the imminent collapse of the European economy if another one goes off. You have to love an alarmist press. Plus we have an election that ironically, no one gives a shit about and are experiencing massive voter apathy. Thailand barely gets a mention sadly.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;I suppose I could have just emailed. My wife keeps me updated a bit but it&#039;s good read various opinions. Even if it is almost impossible to even speculate.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Democracies have massive inherent problems but I&#039;ve wracked my brains for literally the past 10 minutes and can&#039;t think of anything better. Beneficial dictatorship can be good but it&#039;s hard to keep going and you could end up with Singapore and can&#039;t chew gum.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;I&#039;m not smrt enough politically either though.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;I&#039;d still rather be living out there again.&lt;/p&gt;
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good post Greg.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve been trying to keep abreast of the situation over there but it&#8217;s been difficult as our press is obsessed with volcanoes and the imminent collapse of the European economy if another one goes off. You have to love an alarmist press. Plus we have an election that ironically, no one gives a shit about and are experiencing massive voter apathy. Thailand barely gets a mention sadly.</p>
<p>I suppose I could have just emailed. My wife keeps me updated a bit but it&#8217;s good read various opinions. Even if it is almost impossible to even speculate.</p>
<p>Democracies have massive inherent problems but I&#8217;ve wracked my brains for literally the past 10 minutes and can&#8217;t think of anything better. Beneficial dictatorship can be good but it&#8217;s hard to keep going and you could end up with Singapore and can&#8217;t chew gum.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not smrt enough politically either though.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d still rather be living out there again.</p>
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		By: Frodo Douchebaggins		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Apr 2010 00:04:34 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;p&gt;I know this isn&#039;t exactly the forum for debating the relative virtues of democracy but, to continue a discussion that began at Greg&#039;s party, I am not sure that democracy is the endpoint towards which all societies do or ought to tend.  First, it&#039;s as historically and culturally contingent a method of governance as anything else -- I am reminded of Bhutanese farmers who frankly said &#034;what do we know about choosing a leader?&#034; -- and so attempts to graft it onto a society that lacks the historical and cultural predicates seems fairly certainly doomed to failure.  Discursively, too, it&#039;s a term we often bandy about with little thought to what it actually entails: do we simply mean majority rule (certainly not, if the US response to Hammas&#039; victory in Palestine is any judge). Does it mean respect for minority rights? Does it mean the sophisticated ability to form a &#034;loyal opposition&#034;? Does it mean freedom of political speech?  Lots of times, it seems to me, it&#039;s meant to refer less to a political process and more to a desired state of affairs: accountability of officials, a robust and uninhibited press, an educated populace and some relatively equal distribution of opportunity.  For Thailand, I am more interested in the latter than the means by which it is achieved.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Anyway, all of that being said, my guess is that Thailand will take a third way out of the current crisis that is neither civil war nor a populist paradigm shift.  I suspect the end result will be a series of complex, backroom political deals that gratify the red shirt leaders while leaving the status quo essentially intact.  Political, social and economic interests and loyalties run along fault lines that are as deep as they are hidden, convoluted and alien to Western eyes -- this is a country where modern property boundaries are laid out according to an ancient, feudal logic and where publicly traded corporations seek the blessing of a fortune teller before making hiring decisions -- and so any farang who hazards a guess (me most of all) as to the specifics of any denouement is per force shooting in the dark.  That doesn&#039;t mean we should abdicate our responsibility to understand the current situation as best we can but rather that we should allow for a large degree of uncertainty to inform our prognostications.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Eh.  Ok, all that said, it&#039;s time for Fruit Loops.&lt;/p&gt;
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know this isn&#8217;t exactly the forum for debating the relative virtues of democracy but, to continue a discussion that began at Greg&#8217;s party, I am not sure that democracy is the endpoint towards which all societies do or ought to tend.  First, it&#8217;s as historically and culturally contingent a method of governance as anything else &#8212; I am reminded of Bhutanese farmers who frankly said &quot;what do we know about choosing a leader?&quot; &#8212; and so attempts to graft it onto a society that lacks the historical and cultural predicates seems fairly certainly doomed to failure.  Discursively, too, it&#8217;s a term we often bandy about with little thought to what it actually entails: do we simply mean majority rule (certainly not, if the US response to Hammas&#8217; victory in Palestine is any judge). Does it mean respect for minority rights? Does it mean the sophisticated ability to form a &quot;loyal opposition&quot;? Does it mean freedom of political speech?  Lots of times, it seems to me, it&#8217;s meant to refer less to a political process and more to a desired state of affairs: accountability of officials, a robust and uninhibited press, an educated populace and some relatively equal distribution of opportunity.  For Thailand, I am more interested in the latter than the means by which it is achieved.</p>
<p>Anyway, all of that being said, my guess is that Thailand will take a third way out of the current crisis that is neither civil war nor a populist paradigm shift.  I suspect the end result will be a series of complex, backroom political deals that gratify the red shirt leaders while leaving the status quo essentially intact.  Political, social and economic interests and loyalties run along fault lines that are as deep as they are hidden, convoluted and alien to Western eyes &#8212; this is a country where modern property boundaries are laid out according to an ancient, feudal logic and where publicly traded corporations seek the blessing of a fortune teller before making hiring decisions &#8212; and so any farang who hazards a guess (me most of all) as to the specifics of any denouement is per force shooting in the dark.  That doesn&#8217;t mean we should abdicate our responsibility to understand the current situation as best we can but rather that we should allow for a large degree of uncertainty to inform our prognostications.</p>
<p>Eh.  Ok, all that said, it&#8217;s time for Fruit Loops.</p>
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		By: Boonsong		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Apr 2010 12:35:56 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;p&gt;An interesting analysis with some poignant pictures. Thanks for this&lt;/p&gt;
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>An interesting analysis with some poignant pictures. Thanks for this</p>
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		By: Jane		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jane]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Apr 2010 12:18:26 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;p&gt;Interesting positive thoughts, Greg. I think the Thai society has much going for them but this is one major hump they need to resolve sooner or later. By example, they have found protesting and holding key locations hostage do work as exemplified by the PAD and airport. As long as that precedent stands, worst case scenario is this can escalate. Having said that, I&#039;m impressed by their persistence. They clearly care about this. This isn&#039;t a &lt;i&gt;mai pen rai&lt;/i&gt; indifference we&#039;re seeing but a strong belief in what they stand for. We could use that kind of passion in other countries that need citizens to care.&lt;/p&gt;
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting positive thoughts, Greg. I think the Thai society has much going for them but this is one major hump they need to resolve sooner or later. By example, they have found protesting and holding key locations hostage do work as exemplified by the PAD and airport. As long as that precedent stands, worst case scenario is this can escalate. Having said that, I&#8217;m impressed by their persistence. They clearly care about this. This isn&#8217;t a <i>mai pen rai</i> indifference we&#8217;re seeing but a strong belief in what they stand for. We could use that kind of passion in other countries that need citizens to care.</p>
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		By: Jon		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Apr 2010 17:30:21 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;p&gt;Nice new lay-out.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Agree re the variety of opinions, most foreigners I know have no idea what is going on. It is healthy to take an interest, although expressing an opinion publicly isn&#039;t.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Btw, I got SMRT instantly - love a well planted Simpsons reference.&lt;/p&gt;
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice new lay-out.</p>
<p>Agree re the variety of opinions, most foreigners I know have no idea what is going on. It is healthy to take an interest, although expressing an opinion publicly isn&#8217;t.</p>
<p>Btw, I got SMRT instantly &#8211; love a well planted Simpsons reference.</p>
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		By: Brennan		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Apr 2010 18:34:46 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;p&gt;First of all, I can&#039;t believe that battle went down on Khao San Road! Was it as jammed packed during Songkran as it usually is??&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;As for the whole situation, I no longer have much faith in democracy. It seems to me that it really comes down to how much money you have. If you don&#039;t have money, you don&#039;t have much say. &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;And as for the rest of the world, it seems like we may see an uprising of civil unrest in the United States as the economic systems implodes on itself. &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;It should be an interesting decade...&lt;/p&gt;
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First of all, I can&#8217;t believe that battle went down on Khao San Road! Was it as jammed packed during Songkran as it usually is??</p>
<p>As for the whole situation, I no longer have much faith in democracy. It seems to me that it really comes down to how much money you have. If you don&#8217;t have money, you don&#8217;t have much say. </p>
<p>And as for the rest of the world, it seems like we may see an uprising of civil unrest in the United States as the economic systems implodes on itself. </p>
<p>It should be an interesting decade&#8230;</p>
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		By: Cody McKibben		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Apr 2010 16:08:22 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;p&gt;Incredible post Greg, and positive thoughts you&#039;ve shared. This whole situation has had me pretty annoyed actually—I know it&#039;s not really my place to favor one side or the other, but I do live here too and it takes a toll after a while. But the way you&#039;ve put it here, I love the rosy outlook and hope for positive progress…&lt;/p&gt;
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Incredible post Greg, and positive thoughts you&#8217;ve shared. This whole situation has had me pretty annoyed actually—I know it&#8217;s not really my place to favor one side or the other, but I do live here too and it takes a toll after a while. But the way you&#8217;ve put it here, I love the rosy outlook and hope for positive progress…</p>
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