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		By: Greg		</title>
		<link>https://www.gregtodiffer.com/thoughts-on-piracy-in-thailand/#comment-147</link>

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		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Jun 2009 16:00:58 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;p&gt;Damn you Rikker, I was going to respond with a followup but you summed it up pretty perfectly. In terms of creativity, the report you posted (&lt;a target=&quot;new&quot; href=&quot;http://xrl.in/2iz0)&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://xrl.in/2iz0)&lt;/a&gt; is very interesting. I do believe companies such as the RIAA, MPAA, ASCAP, etc, are NOT in it for the artists; they&#039;re afraid of losing control, just like Rome did when it got too top-heavy; just like the Incans did when the conquistadors showed up; just like the Church did when the bible was translated into English; etc. They&#039;re all victims of a sea change in society/culture/thinking/technology that they aren&#039;t prepared to keep up with. The very fabric of their existence - what made them unique - was their undoing as the world changed around them. &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;HOWEVER... I do believe that allowing free/cheap, unlimited access to ip protected stuff can possibly (NOT definitely) set a precedent that everything should be available in two varieties - genuine and counterfeit. This is where things get murky, and I run out of semi-literate things to say.&lt;/p&gt;
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Damn you Rikker, I was going to respond with a followup but you summed it up pretty perfectly. In terms of creativity, the report you posted (<a target="new" href="http://xrl.in/2iz0)" rel="nofollow"></a><a href="http://xrl.in/2iz0" rel="nofollow ugc">http://xrl.in/2iz0</a>) is very interesting. I do believe companies such as the RIAA, MPAA, ASCAP, etc, are NOT in it for the artists; they&#8217;re afraid of losing control, just like Rome did when it got too top-heavy; just like the Incans did when the conquistadors showed up; just like the Church did when the bible was translated into English; etc. They&#8217;re all victims of a sea change in society/culture/thinking/technology that they aren&#8217;t prepared to keep up with. The very fabric of their existence &#8211; what made them unique &#8211; was their undoing as the world changed around them. </p>
<p>HOWEVER&#8230; I do believe that allowing free/cheap, unlimited access to ip protected stuff can possibly (NOT definitely) set a precedent that everything should be available in two varieties &#8211; genuine and counterfeit. This is where things get murky, and I run out of semi-literate things to say.</p>
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		By: rikker		</title>
		<link>https://www.gregtodiffer.com/thoughts-on-piracy-in-thailand/#comment-152</link>

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		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Jun 2009 13:28:52 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;p&gt;While I don&#039;t downplay the seriousness of substandard or dangerous fake medicine being passed off as the real deal, I think linking that with software piracy is bogus. Unless there&#039;s a *demonstrable link* that doing the latter leads to the former, then they&#039;re only being grouped together because of vague similarities, in that someone isn&#039;t getting paid for something the law says they should be. That&#039;s an *extremely vague* connection!&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Let me demonstrate:&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&quot;When all is said and done, the realm of eating meat is fairly benign. Yes, you’re taking lives, but in the big scheme of things, is it really hurting the planet? Most would say no, but that can be a mistake. Would you feel so blasé about the whole issue if you found out that some of your neighbors were making your prize poodle Fifi into a dogburger? Or that the tasty steak you enjoyed last night came from Beijing toddler?&quot;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Even without having an opinion on intellectual property infringement (the word &quot;theft&quot; is a misnomer for several reasons), it seems like simple ad hominem to me -- lump file sharers and pirated software users in with actual killers.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;In other words, it&#039;s bad if you disobey copyright law because someone somewhere wants to profit off of hurting and killing sick people. Why didn&#039;t they tell us all sooner!?&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;The truth is, the law isn&#039;t in line with the public moral compass on this one. File sharing is on the rise, because people are having trouble justifying obedience to laws that award 1.92 million dollar settlements to record companies, because some mom&#039;s kids shared a couple dozen songs. Among a million other reasons.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;There are many separate issues. I&#039;m actually not an intellectual property outlaw (even though &quot;property&quot; is also a misnomer, if you examine its typical legal definition). I don&#039;t believe in lumping it all into one group. It benefits those whose moral highground is extremely dubious, like the RIAA and MPAA, to do so.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;It all comes down to economics and business models in my book. If you don&#039;t already, you should really read Michael Masnick (and company) over at TechDirt.com, my favorite blog that regularly covers issues on the shamefully anti-consumer, anti-creativity, anti-innovation, anti-progress, pro-corporate-welfare intellectual property nonsense of our day. The system is in bad need of reform, but the public has less sway with its elected representatives than the deep pockets of a small number of corporations.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;My opinions are a bit of a jumble too, though. As seen in this comment. Heh. :P&lt;/p&gt;
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While I don&#8217;t downplay the seriousness of substandard or dangerous fake medicine being passed off as the real deal, I think linking that with software piracy is bogus. Unless there&#8217;s a *demonstrable link* that doing the latter leads to the former, then they&#8217;re only being grouped together because of vague similarities, in that someone isn&#8217;t getting paid for something the law says they should be. That&#8217;s an *extremely vague* connection!</p>
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<p>Let me demonstrate:</p>
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<p>&#8220;When all is said and done, the realm of eating meat is fairly benign. Yes, you’re taking lives, but in the big scheme of things, is it really hurting the planet? Most would say no, but that can be a mistake. Would you feel so blasé about the whole issue if you found out that some of your neighbors were making your prize poodle Fifi into a dogburger? Or that the tasty steak you enjoyed last night came from Beijing toddler?&#8221;</p>
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<p>Even without having an opinion on intellectual property infringement (the word &#8220;theft&#8221; is a misnomer for several reasons), it seems like simple ad hominem to me &#8212; lump file sharers and pirated software users in with actual killers.</p>
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<p>In other words, it&#8217;s bad if you disobey copyright law because someone somewhere wants to profit off of hurting and killing sick people. Why didn&#8217;t they tell us all sooner!?</p>
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<p>The truth is, the law isn&#8217;t in line with the public moral compass on this one. File sharing is on the rise, because people are having trouble justifying obedience to laws that award 1.92 million dollar settlements to record companies, because some mom&#8217;s kids shared a couple dozen songs. Among a million other reasons.</p>
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<p>There are many separate issues. I&#8217;m actually not an intellectual property outlaw (even though &#8220;property&#8221; is also a misnomer, if you examine its typical legal definition). I don&#8217;t believe in lumping it all into one group. It benefits those whose moral highground is extremely dubious, like the RIAA and MPAA, to do so.</p>
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<p>It all comes down to economics and business models in my book. If you don&#8217;t already, you should really read Michael Masnick (and company) over at TechDirt.com, my favorite blog that regularly covers issues on the shamefully anti-consumer, anti-creativity, anti-innovation, anti-progress, pro-corporate-welfare intellectual property nonsense of our day. The system is in bad need of reform, but the public has less sway with its elected representatives than the deep pockets of a small number of corporations.</p>
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<p>My opinions are a bit of a jumble too, though. As seen in this comment. Heh. 😛</p>
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		By: Hobby		</title>
		<link>https://www.gregtodiffer.com/thoughts-on-piracy-in-thailand/#comment-149</link>

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		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Jun 2009 23:13:03 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;p&gt;Re Fake Medicines, T-shirts, CD&#039;s:  IMO, there would not be any need (demand) for fakes if the genuine articles were more &lt;b&gt;reasonably&lt;/b&gt; priced.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;The whole medicines industry gives me the shits - For big pharma its clearly all about profits &#038; return on investment, thats fine for normal consumer goods, IMO life saving medicines should not be in that class.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;There needs to be a wake up regarding how the medical drugs industry is financed as the big pharma model fails for all except for the richest few percent of the worlds population.&lt;/p&gt;
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re Fake Medicines, T-shirts, CD&#8217;s:  IMO, there would not be any need (demand) for fakes if the genuine articles were more <b>reasonably</b> priced.</p>
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<p>The whole medicines industry gives me the shits &#8211; For big pharma its clearly all about profits &amp; return on investment, thats fine for normal consumer goods, IMO life saving medicines should not be in that class.</p>
<p>There needs to be a wake up regarding how the medical drugs industry is financed as the big pharma model fails for all except for the richest few percent of the worlds population.</p>
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		By: Chris		</title>
		<link>https://www.gregtodiffer.com/thoughts-on-piracy-in-thailand/#comment-146</link>

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		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Jun 2009 06:31:37 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;p&gt;Hi Folks...yeah, Pete you can contact me if you&#039;d like more information. send me an email:   chrisr@kiasia.org&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;I&#039;ve actually been working on some media projects involving public education campaigns (PSAs) on counterfeit meds in SE Asia. Primarily, however, I work with postmarket lab surveillance of medicines in the field, which is how we detect counterfeits.&lt;/p&gt;
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Folks&#8230;yeah, Pete you can contact me if you&#8217;d like more information. send me an email:   <a href="mailto:chrisr@kiasia.org">chrisr@kiasia.org</a></p>
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<p>I&#8217;ve actually been working on some media projects involving public education campaigns (PSAs) on counterfeit meds in SE Asia. Primarily, however, I work with postmarket lab surveillance of medicines in the field, which is how we detect counterfeits.</p>
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		By: Catherine		</title>
		<link>https://www.gregtodiffer.com/thoughts-on-piracy-in-thailand/#comment-148</link>

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		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Jun 2009 04:04:39 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;p&gt;I&#039;m of the same opinion. The software pirating doesn&#039;t bother me that much (and you can&#039;t really avoid bumping into it here in BKK) but reading about aircraft parts and medicine is a worry. &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;(I recall a crash that took place due to faulty parts years back.. or was that a movie? Life overlaps sometimes...)&lt;/p&gt;
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m of the same opinion. The software pirating doesn&#8217;t bother me that much (and you can&#8217;t really avoid bumping into it here in BKK) but reading about aircraft parts and medicine is a worry. </p>
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<p>(I recall a crash that took place due to faulty parts years back.. or was that a movie? Life overlaps sometimes&#8230;)</p>
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		By: Pete, FrogBlogger		</title>
		<link>https://www.gregtodiffer.com/thoughts-on-piracy-in-thailand/#comment-151</link>

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		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Jun 2009 18:02:31 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;p&gt;Great balanced report, sums up exactly how I feel about the situation. Those who distribute the CDs in the likes of Thailand should sell them at prices the Thais can afford I reckon. And there are allegedly some powerful people in the forces of, cough, Law and Order, involved in the pirated goods business - so we&#039;ll likely see a few high profile raids, then, zzzzzzz.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;But I sat up and took more notice in the second half of your blog, and this combined with the comments from someone directly involved in combating the counterfeiting of drugs, well that&#039;s very worrying indeed. It&#039;s something that needs more publicising - I knew about the fake medicines, but it&#039;s one of those concerns that gets superseded by apparently more pressing ones in the mind&#039;s list of priorities. &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;If Chris reads this again, I would be interested in hearing more about the situation from a man (or woman) in the know, with a view to do a blog on this myself.&lt;/p&gt;
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great balanced report, sums up exactly how I feel about the situation. Those who distribute the CDs in the likes of Thailand should sell them at prices the Thais can afford I reckon. And there are allegedly some powerful people in the forces of, cough, Law and Order, involved in the pirated goods business &#8211; so we&#8217;ll likely see a few high profile raids, then, zzzzzzz.</p>
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<p>But I sat up and took more notice in the second half of your blog, and this combined with the comments from someone directly involved in combating the counterfeiting of drugs, well that&#8217;s very worrying indeed. It&#8217;s something that needs more publicising &#8211; I knew about the fake medicines, but it&#8217;s one of those concerns that gets superseded by apparently more pressing ones in the mind&#8217;s list of priorities. </p>
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<p>If Chris reads this again, I would be interested in hearing more about the situation from a man (or woman) in the know, with a view to do a blog on this myself.</p>
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		By: Greg		</title>
		<link>https://www.gregtodiffer.com/thoughts-on-piracy-in-thailand/#comment-150</link>

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		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Jun 2009 13:04:49 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;p&gt;Scary to hear it from people in the know. The whole &#039;setting a precedent for worse infraction&#039; things reminds me of a poem I read years ago by Martin Niemöller and never forgot:&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&quot;In Germany, they came first for the Communists, And I didn’t speak up because I wasn’t a Communist;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;And then they came for the trade unionists, And I didn’t speak up because I wasn’t a trade unionist;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;And then they came for the Jews, And I didn’t speak up because I wasn’t a Jew;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;And then... they came for me... And by that time there was no one left to speak up.&quot;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Clearly, I&#039;m not comparing counterfeit CDs or Viagra to the Holocaust, but it&#039;s a sobering thought.&lt;/p&gt;
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Scary to hear it from people in the know. The whole &#8216;setting a precedent for worse infraction&#8217; things reminds me of a poem I read years ago by Martin Niemöller and never forgot:</p>
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<p>&#8220;In Germany, they came first for the Communists, And I didn’t speak up because I wasn’t a Communist;</p>
<p>And then they came for the trade unionists, And I didn’t speak up because I wasn’t a trade unionist;</p>
<p>And then they came for the Jews, And I didn’t speak up because I wasn’t a Jew;</p>
<p>And then&#8230; they came for me&#8230; And by that time there was no one left to speak up.&#8221;</p>
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<p>Clearly, I&#8217;m not comparing counterfeit CDs or Viagra to the Holocaust, but it&#8217;s a sobering thought.</p>
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		By: Western Observer		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Jun 2009 12:18:47 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;p&gt;It&#039;s been reported that those fake malaria medications with low levels of the active ingredient are breeding new resistant strains of the disease around the Cambodian border. Should the new strain migrate to Africa (of course, its only a matter of time) the consequences would be horrendous.&lt;/p&gt;
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s been reported that those fake malaria medications with low levels of the active ingredient are breeding new resistant strains of the disease around the Cambodian border. Should the new strain migrate to Africa (of course, its only a matter of time) the consequences would be horrendous.</p>
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		By: Chris		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Jun 2009 16:30:18 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;p&gt;As someone who works to combat counterfeiting of medicines in Southeast Asia, I can attest to the real danger and insidious threat that fake medicines pose. Antibiotics, antimalarials and even some TB and HIV medicines are being faked and sold, making their way into even normal supply chains. Imagine taking medicine when you get malaria, only to find out that there&#039;s nothing actually in it...unfortunately, people die from this and it&#039;s a silent public health emergency that most people don&#039;t know about, and it&#039;s happening all the time among the poorest and rural areas of SE Asia. I&#039;m not too worried about viagra, but when severly ill patients who have no resources to purchase expensive medicines end up with counterfeits...it&#039;s a very real, sad, and preventable problem.&lt;/p&gt;
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As someone who works to combat counterfeiting of medicines in Southeast Asia, I can attest to the real danger and insidious threat that fake medicines pose. Antibiotics, antimalarials and even some TB and HIV medicines are being faked and sold, making their way into even normal supply chains. Imagine taking medicine when you get malaria, only to find out that there&#8217;s nothing actually in it&#8230;unfortunately, people die from this and it&#8217;s a silent public health emergency that most people don&#8217;t know about, and it&#8217;s happening all the time among the poorest and rural areas of SE Asia. I&#8217;m not too worried about viagra, but when severly ill patients who have no resources to purchase expensive medicines end up with counterfeits&#8230;it&#8217;s a very real, sad, and preventable problem.</p>
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